tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post117264166586102044..comments2024-03-25T19:00:40.046-06:00Comments on The Constructive Curmudgeon: The Bogus Bones of JesusDouglas Groothuis, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08766692378954258034noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1173326892002452672007-03-07T21:08:00.000-07:002007-03-07T21:08:00.000-07:00JohnI'm honored that I actually got some kudos fro...John<BR/><BR/>I'm honored that I actually got some kudos from you--even though it was a bit back-handed :oD<BR/><BR/>I wonder if there is a bit of a catch-22 going on--you can't get a track record without getting into journals, but you can't get into journals without a track record.<BR/><BR/>It seems that this archeologist is using the established methods and theories to draw ridiculous conclusions. ID may be different because it's calling into question the established methods and theories themselves. In the former situation, the peer-review process keeps the junk out. In the latter it may actually hinder progress by limiting new ideas that disagree with orthodoxy. Remember, many of the nobel-prize winning ideas of the 20th century were rejected by the peer-review process because the ideas questioned the establishment too deeply. It's just a thought.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178836236878900349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1173244133589006152007-03-06T22:08:00.000-07:002007-03-06T22:08:00.000-07:00I don’t understand how people can accept something...I don’t understand how people can accept something as serious as this so incautiously, despite a lack of consistent and tenable data. At the same time, these very people deny, without question, the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ, despite the vast amount of tangible, spiritual, and textual evidence supporting it. <BR/><BR/>Lame.Cole M. Winanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05551294806581267916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1173158716131011942007-03-05T22:25:00.000-07:002007-03-05T22:25:00.000-07:00A Roman Catholic priest made an interesting commen...A Roman Catholic priest made an interesting comment. He indicated that although historically, archaeologically, and otherwise this could not be the remains of Jesus, even if it somehow turned out to be true it would not affect his Christian faith one iota. He indicated that many confuse the Resurrection with the Ascension. We are not told how Jesus ascended into heaven, and in his mind it may have been the Spirit that ascended rather than the body, which could mean that physical remains would be left behind.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04778250157288970967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172973221826495982007-03-03T18:53:00.000-07:002007-03-03T18:53:00.000-07:00John Stockwell,In regards to the latter half of yo...John Stockwell,<BR/><BR/>In regards to the latter half of your post - if this is truly the Jesus who was a rabbi and prophet from Nazareth, whom the Bible describes as dying on the cross and rising again three days later, then there is no reason to believe in him.<BR/><BR/>The truth of who Jesus is has nothing to do with who we desire him to be. To desire a Jesus other than the one presented in Scripture is like desiring a George Washington other than the one presented in the letters, biographies, and history books that we have in our possession.<BR/><BR/>Scripture says that Jesus was not just a prophet or rabbi, but, most importantly, the Son of God. It claims that He died on the cross for our sins and that he overcame death by rising again. If this did not happen, then no one has any use for Jesus, and to believe in Him is worthless. What you suggest might be a "Jesus to believe in" is actually a Jesus to reject.Cecdaddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10691254966807012174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172738359803956392007-03-01T01:39:00.000-07:002007-03-01T01:39:00.000-07:00Well, at least now we can squash the legend of Jes...Well, at least now we can squash the legend of Jesus dying in India!Jeff S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08827015272331500670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172724250484454442007-02-28T21:44:00.000-07:002007-02-28T21:44:00.000-07:00Tim:Good chop!Tim:<BR/><BR/>Good chop!Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08766692378954258034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172723158747549942007-02-28T21:25:00.000-07:002007-02-28T21:25:00.000-07:00Y'know, to rational souls, the existence of a son'...Y'know, to rational souls, the existence of a son's casket rules out the possibility that this could be the tomb of the Bible's Jesus of Nazareth, since he is known to have been unmarried and childless. (I know the conspiracy theories have said differently but they have no evidence, as opposed to the "unmarried Jesus" thing having all the historical backing.)Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172710716182545572007-02-28T17:58:00.000-07:002007-02-28T17:58:00.000-07:00Tim, I'm just about crying from laughing so hard. ...Tim, I'm just about crying from laughing so hard. I though my post was cynical, but your post takes the cake.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178836236878900349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172700898145163932007-02-28T15:14:00.000-07:002007-02-28T15:14:00.000-07:00... (yawn) ...Cameron's evidence is so flimsy that...... (yawn) ...<BR/><BR/>Cameron's evidence is so flimsy that this whole discovery raises only one mildly interesting question: how will it be spun by those Internet Infidels who don't believe Jesus existed at all? "Jesus never existed, and besides, here's his body"?Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15786874834919065011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172691559990734352007-02-28T12:39:00.000-07:002007-02-28T12:39:00.000-07:00Heather,It directly challenges the resurrection. ...Heather,<BR/><BR/>It directly challenges the resurrection. There would be no ossuary with Jesus in it if the resurrection occurred. Ossuaries are created a year or so after the death of a person when the body has decayed leaving only the bones to be placed in the ossuary. With a resurrection there is no decay (Psalm 16:10) thus no bones to be placed in an ossuary. <BR/><BR/>The main scholar onboard is James Tabor, a seemingly Orthodox Jew. Why would an Orthodox Jew simply be asking us to "consider the possibility that the Resurrection occurred from a second tomb" as you say?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172684064303781182007-02-28T10:34:00.000-07:002007-02-28T10:34:00.000-07:00I don't think anyone is doubting the resurrection....I don't think anyone is doubting the resurrection. Just look at the official site:<BR/>“The Lost Tomb Of Jesus” does not challenge the Resurrection. It asks viewers to consider the possibility that the Resurrection occurred from a second tomb.<BR/><BR/>www.jesusfamilytomb.comHeatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04940904253917087536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172682661789262522007-02-28T10:11:00.000-07:002007-02-28T10:11:00.000-07:00I didn't know Cameron was filming True Lies II.I didn't know Cameron was filming <I>True Lies II</I>.Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18116372272883410329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1172677008681386542007-02-28T08:36:00.000-07:002007-02-28T08:36:00.000-07:00My grandfather made a comment about this yesterday...My grandfather made a comment about this yesterday, and I had not heard anything about it.<BR/><BR/>It's interesting; I have said many times to many people that if the bones of Jesus were ever discovered, I could be well justified in taking these bones to be the bones of Jesus of Nazareth, then I'd quit being a Christian. I think Paul would be on my side (1 Cor 15).<BR/><BR/>However, the points that Kerby makes are good ones. I find it very hard to fathom that the Roman soldiers guarding the body of Jesus at the tomb of Joseph of Aramatheia were overcome by the 12, the stone rolled away, and the body moved without anyone noticing what was going on. You'd think that someone would have been around to falsify the claim of the resurrection. And if this is what happened, it surely seems like a very easily falsified story. Just go to the stupid tomb and look. Second, that James would have allowed such a hoax to be perpetrated is one thing, but then to be martyred because of that known hoax is another thing entirely.<BR/><BR/>It's almost as if we think these claims took place in a vacuum, as if nobody in Jerusalem had any stake in silencing these trouble-making Christians. That's patently false. To my mind it is so plausible to think that if anyone could have falsified it then they would have. The fact that it never was falsified in the first century by the people closest to the events in question lends an exceeding amount of credibility to the resurrection claims.<BR/><BR/>I have a hard time finding anything coming from Cameron convincing. If it was legitimate at all, don't you thing it should have gone through the peer-review process and been published in an archeology journal? Despite the problems of peer-reviewed journals, I see no reason other than it's being ridiculous why it couldn't muster strenght enough for publication.<BR/><BR/>One thing is for sure--if Cameron is out for a buck, he's going to get it.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07178836236878900349noreply@blogger.com