tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post115860208140681485..comments2024-03-25T19:00:40.046-06:00Comments on The Constructive Curmudgeon: The Pope and IslamDouglas Groothuis, Ph.D.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08766692378954258034noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1159087554517853912006-09-24T02:45:00.000-06:002006-09-24T02:45:00.000-06:00The pope didn't really issue much of an apology. ...The pope didn't really issue much of an apology. What he said was that he was sorry for the reactions of people to what he said. He never admitted to giving them a valid reason to react (even with words). <BR/><BR/>Though he was fair to the secularists in acknowledging the difficulty of academics in dealing with some Muslims, since they view God to be above reason, his main point was directed at secularist western society, "In the Western world it is widely held that only positivistic reason and the forms of philosophy based on it are universally valid. Yet the world’s profoundly religious cultures see this exclusion of the divine from the universality of reason as an attack on their most profound convictions. A reason which is deaf to the divine and which relegates religion into the realm of subcultures is incapable of entering into the dialogue of cultures."<BR/><BR/>I probably will not have time to pick up the books on Islam recommended, but I do wonder what the profound points are in the book which the pope should heed. <BR/><BR/>DougDouglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16064119946449926285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1158696106451900582006-09-19T14:01:00.000-06:002006-09-19T14:01:00.000-06:00Fletcher:Islam grow principally through:1. High bi...Fletcher:<BR/><BR/>Islam grow principally through:<BR/><BR/>1. High birth rates globally.<BR/>2. Enculturation<BR/>3. Intimidation<BR/>4. Indoctrination.<BR/><BR/>Not through:<BR/><BR/>5. Rational persuasion<BR/>6. Signs and wonders confirming their religion. Mohammad performed no miracles, according to the Koran. The Koran is taken to be the only miracle.<BR/><BR/>We as Christians have (5) and (6) to draw on by God's grace and mercy. We refuse, of course, (3) and (4). We should do better on (1)! We should try to be more evident and prevalent in our cultures as well (2).Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08766692378954258034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1158679427481339402006-09-19T09:23:00.000-06:002006-09-19T09:23:00.000-06:00My boss's son-in-law and their family moved to Jor...My boss's son-in-law and their family moved to Jordan as Christian missionaries last year. Of course, Christian missionaries aren't allowed in Jordan so they are "posing" as students. We just recieved word from them two days ago that they are very discouraged so far. They've developed several friendships with educated, articulate, thoughtful Muslims and only when they begin to "test the waters" by discussing Christianity v. Islam, truth claims, apologetics, etc. do their Muslims friends throw their normally thoughtful minds out the window. When it comes to scrutiny of Islam, they shut down intellectually and get emotional and angry. It is as if it is engrained in Islamic culture that you cannot even concieve of a critical discussion of Islam. <BR/><BR/>However, these very same people are critical and analytical towards all other major areas of life (their choice of accountant, surgeon, doctor, dentist, etc.) - just not their religion. Muslims usually do not "choose" to be Muslims, they just "are" Muslims and that's that.<BR/><BR/>Why can't we have a rational discussion about our religious differences? <BR/><BR/>Could it be that Muslims will not consider intellectual accountability for their worldview/religion because there is no rational defense for Islam... so the default answer becomes "Blasphemy! Infidel!" <BR/><BR/>Another big problem is that if they do leave Islam, they risk losing their families, friends, businesses, and even lives. So the root cause of these reactions may very well be FEAR.Craig Fletcherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04732332673826674158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1158639768138236872006-09-18T22:22:00.000-06:002006-09-18T22:22:00.000-06:00Pray for those who speak out against Islam, but wh...Pray for those who speak out against Islam, but who want Muslims to find freedom in Jesus Christ. They need it.Douglas Groothuis, Ph.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08766692378954258034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1158631427548587762006-09-18T20:03:00.000-06:002006-09-18T20:03:00.000-06:00Thank you for saying it!Our culture's entire notio...Thank you for saying it!<BR/><BR/>Our culture's entire notion of Islam being 'nonviolent' seems to be continually proved otherwise - by the Muslim community. I have been following this wild hypocrisy since the Pope's remarks came out - I wish he would continue without apology - and have been wondering if anyone else has caught on. . .most of the talking heads seemed to have missed it.Michael Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17535833766942754590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14410967.post-1158604052167991362006-09-18T12:27:00.000-06:002006-09-18T12:27:00.000-06:00Here's my satirical take on the whole issue: Buddh...Here's my satirical take on the whole issue: <A HREF="http://dabalogh.blogspot.com/2006/09/buddhist-violence-continues-for-fourth.html" REL="nofollow">Buddhist Violence Continues For Fourth Straight Day</A>.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09763751210167358084noreply@blogger.com